Lance “Un” Rivera, whose early career is closely interwoven with that of the Notorious B.I.G.’s, recently sat down for an extended interview during which he reflected on key moments in the late artist’s history.

Among them, as seen below, was the first time Biggie heard 2Pac’s diss record “Hit ‘Em Up.” In the track’s opening lines, as fans will note, 2Pac claimed to have had sexual relations with Biggie’s wife at the time, Faith Evans. Looking back on his and Biggie’s first time hearing the track, Rivera explained to DJ Vlad just how shocking the track was at the time. Additionally, as Rivera detailed, Biggie was adamant on not worrying about a response at the time.