Shannen Doherty has been the pinnacle of honesty for so long, especially amid her heartbreaking cancer battle. She’s given fans details about her health, past work experiences, and now, the truth about marriages, specifically her marriage to ex-husband Kurt Iswarienko.

In a conversation with her former fiancé and longtime pal Rob Weiss on her podcast Let’s Be Clear, she discussed that while she loves “the idea of marriage,” it isn’t what defines a strong relationship.