Rudy Gobert is the heavy favorite to win his fourth Defensive Player of the Year award at the end of this regular season, as he is anchoring the league’s best defense in Minnesota for one of the West’s top seeds.

While some have pointed to Victor Wembanyama’s outrageous block and steal totals and wondered if the Spurs star rookie should be in the mix, plenty have noted that the Spurs are still near the bottom of the NBA’s defensive ranks. That said, not everyone is on board with another Gobert DPOY, with Shaquille O’Neal laying out why he’s never been sold on Gobert being an elite level defender on The Big Podcast during the latest episode with Mario Chalmers.